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W T F ?
« on: December 10, 2008, 08:50 AM »
Who the hell is Pippin and how he got Counciler status?

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 09:26 AM »
Cant.. offlimits for me.

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 09:29 AM »
Master Pip, is former Master Kae.

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 11:11 AM »
Hey Tieten,

After Master Kaeawc left the Council and was granted Ghost status, he noticed a decline in server activity and wanted to help promote it but did not want to come back to deal with the stress that comes along with being in the Council. He has had his own little RL issues to deal with, so when the idea was presented to the then Council, there was no objection to him creating a new member.

Unfortunately, Master Kaeawc is 0/2 in being able to successfully hide his secret identiy (as Grim pointed out) and he once signed off a Pippin post with "Kaeawc". Master Lei was the first to notice it and raised the flag..after that, we just came "clean" to the clan and explained it was Master Kaeawc trying to join the server and be active while not having to deal with the Council stuff.

Since then, Master Kaeawc's RL has taken a turn for the better and he finds himself being able to come back to us in a greater capacity and with a new/fresh mind set ready to take on the challenges of running a clan. However he wishes to keep Master Kaeawc dead rather than having some story bring him back, so his alternate character has been promoted so he can rejoin the Council.

Hope that helps explain it  ;)

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 12:27 PM »
I told Kae that Pippin is a LOTR character and not a StarWars character, to which he exclaimed that he is NOT a hobbit!! ;D

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 04:13 PM »
Seems the code is thrown to the wind.

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 04:28 PM »
Seems the code is thrown to the wind.

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Which part of the code is that?

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 04:42 PM »
He changed his name and didn't rejoin as a padawan. Thats the only thing I can see that was broken. I don't see how that is "throwing the code to the wind." All we did was reinstate a ghost and allow him to change his name because the character of Kaeawc is, in his opinion, long dead. If he had rejoined as Kaeawc, what would be your complaint? I'm sure you would have one.



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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 05:19 PM »
Master Ekul, you tell me to "Grow Up" behind closed doors but then you and others are the ones who say things like this

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If he had rejoined as Kaeawc, what would be your complaint? I'm sure you would have one.

This is the portion of the code I am speaking of:
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A Jedi can change name only once when he/she is selected as an apprentice and give the title Padawan Learner. Afterward, he/she must keep that name for the rest of their time in the Order. Changing name results in the death of the character and therefore must start over as a Padawan with the new name.
In fact, Master Kaeawc has done this before, concurrently, but all was forgiven when he wanted to come back.
The main reason I'm notably fed up with this, is the other changes recently. You are so "strict" with the code when you want to be, and lax as hell when you don't.
I say pick a side and stay there.

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P.S. I'll post this in the halls as well as my posts seemed to be overlooked most of the time.

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 05:27 PM »
Perhaps one could follow all of it then, not just parts one feels like when using it against others.. ;)

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 05:41 PM »
The code basically says Master Kae could change his name but has to create a new character and start over again from Padawan... In other words, Master Kae cannot change Kaeawc's name but can start a new character from scratch... Which he did... Did you not read his application thread?

Accepted!  You are a Padawan!
Knight Favian is your new Master! You're a Padawan Learner
Promoted to Jedi!  Thanks for passing your trials!
Promoted to Jedi Knight!  Great job on the pillars!
Promoted to Jedi Master!  Pip, keep up the great work!
You've been unanimously accepted into the Jedi Council.  Congratulations!

He did start over again, he was rushed ahead, can't complain about that. The Council decides when people get trialed, and according to this official post, he was trialed and passed and was advanced... It's official, time to move on.

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 05:43 PM »
Padawan Darin does have a point, although I'm sure people would say that was censorship or something.

When did he do it before? If you're referring to Krystal, that was years ago and was forgiven years ago.

We are not actually being particularly strict with the code. What we would like to observe is members maintaining some level of activity. We are observing part of the activity rule (and even then, not to its full extent) so members don't simply disappear for extended periods of time without saying anything.

Yes, I told you to grow up. That was because you were acting like a child in some of your posts. Responding to a member of the council with "Blah, blah, blah" sounds like what a child would do. Actually talking about the issue is one thing, and saying that you just didn't read what somebody said is another.



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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 08:49 PM »
Want to talk about censorship, I could pull up that thread where I posted that and show you how I was proving a point with that statement, oh wait, no I can't it was deleted out of the blue.

The blah blah blah thing was there to prove a point. Master Alpha jumped over alot of my points in my posts and just picked out what he could use against me to try to prove his. It was getting ridiculous, so, I put in the blah blah blah comment, also stating why I skipped over reading the rest of his post.

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Re: W T F ?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 10:37 PM »
Want to talk about censorship, I could pull up that thread where I posted that and show you how I was proving a point with that statement, oh wait, no I can't it was deleted out of the blue.


Yup, so where mine.

Wonder what Master Ekul thinks of the way Master Mert is then responding to posts. I've been personally attacked in a few of them..wonder if he feels Master Mert should grow up too?

Darin you made an excellent point! Let me ask you something tho, when was the last time you and your Master actually met ever 3 days to train in the server? Not just the past 2 weeks my friend, you have been in this clan for a long time...surely you won't claim to have met every 3 days will you?

Gee, that would be yet another part that is not followed.

For better or worse the Code can't be followed 100% of the time. Nobody would be happy in JO if it was, and I doubt anyone that currently wears the tags should be wearing them if it had been enforced all along.

What bothers some members is the blatant attempt at throwing parts of the code in their face, while openly bypassing other rules.

Councillors have continiously failed to call me by my title in posts, and nothing has been done about it. But when Jedi Rando failed to use a Master's title, he was reminded of that part of the code.

Telling a member to grow up is also not the best way to deal with what is a discussion. The inability to disagree on points without making it personal is something is a bit too comon around here.

I am sure Jedi Rando is not disputing Master Kaeawc back in the C. Surely even he knows this is for the best of JO. But he is pointing out that Code is being bent when it suits certain members.

While Grim is right about the name change and the creation of the new character, Trials never took place. A Padawan became a Councillor without passing Jedi or Knight trials. There was no test for Forms, nor was there a promotion to Jedi Master. Pippin never trained a Padawan. There is a valid point in Rando's views.

The Council was willing (and I agree with it by the way) to move up Pippin in order to have Kaeawc be in the Council again.

However this same Council created a new rank in the forums and changed long time members' access because it deemed them to be inactive when they themselves have been inactive in the past.

Master Lei just made a comment to me a few days ago how he thought it was incredible that members who themselves were very inactive would even consider such a thing. The pot calling the kettle black!

The reason given at the time was that code states you need to be active in the server x amount of times.

So, code was quoted when it suited their actions. They can't be surprised code will be quoted to them can they?

I said it before, what is good for the gooze is good for the gander.

Take it easy Rando, point made. They needed to make mistakes to learn from them. I know at least one Councillor has learned and that can only make him grow as a person and as a leader.

The clan needs to be patient with the current Council. These are not the easiest of times. We are not in the height of the JKA lifespan. I am sure they mean well.

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