Jedi Order -=Year 243=-
General Category => Announcements => : *<JO>*Ekul April 21, 2010, 03:52 PM
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Obviously JKA has lost its appeal for most of us. We need a new game if we want to bring any kind of life back.
One game that is going to be released relatively soon (about a year probably) is Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. I love playing MMOs and would love to play that game with JO. How many people here would be interested in playing The Old Republic? Unfortunately, there will probably be separate North American and European servers. We could play in both if we have the members.
How many people here are interested in playing the Old Republic (or some other game) with JO?
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That should be a very interesting game when it is released. The questions I'd have for a clan such as this are:
-What opportunity would it give for advancement in this clan structure. What I mean is is JO doing away with their ranking system? It'd just be weird to have a Level 55 "Padawan" getting disciplined by an oft-inactive Level 12 "Master". Further, a lot of the role playing aspects of JO would be difficult to translate over to this new game, such as "missions", training, trials, etc.
-Since it is an mmo would JO limit their members to only play Jedi or would they allow for their members to play other, secondary characters away from JO so they could play as Sith or Bounty Hunters, or what have you? I'm just thinking it'd be unfair to make someone pay for an MMO but not allow them to play all sides of it, if they want.
-I can only assume it's a pay-to-play mmo so what would happen if members can't afford to buy or continuously pay for it? I'm just thinking that in today's economic climate not every JO member will be able to make the move over. Will they be asked to leave the clan if they cannot play? It seems to be a stupid question but I'm just assuming that if the majority of the clan is active in a new game the clan will reestablish it's activity rules.
Now, admittedly, I've been away for a long time and JO may have changed the way it does things and the way it works as a clan, I don't know. I'm just asking questions based on how the clan used to run. At the very least it could help JO identify some problems it could encounter if they do decide to use this game as the next level for the clan.
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I've mentioned a few times about JO taking part in SWTOR when it comes out, I know I'll be playing it.
Yanto
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I know I'll be playing it...
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That should be a very interesting game when it is released. The questions I'd have for a clan such as this are:
-What opportunity would it give for advancement in this clan structure. What I mean is is JO doing away with their ranking system? It'd just be weird to have a Level 55 "Padawan" getting disciplined by an oft-inactive Level 12 "Master". Further, a lot of the role playing aspects of JO would be difficult to translate over to this new game, such as "missions", training, trials, etc.
I don't think we would have to do away with our ranking system. If we weren't involved in PvP, we could be more RP as well as retaining some aspects of our current ranks. We could incorporate minimum rank requirements after a certain period of time (say 6 months or something after the game is released) so it isn't totally unbalanced. Missions would be easy. There will be hundreds of ready made quests. If there are persistent instanced quests, it would be really easy to do a large group RP through the mission. We would also get real, in-game rewards, in addition to the fun of RPing. I don't know about training as much, but we could use certain big quests as trials and have requirements about how many people can be in the group (say 2 padawans have to make it through something alone, which would require training with a more experienced master).
-Since it is an mmo would JO limit their members to only play Jedi or would they allow for their members to play other, secondary characters away from JO so they could play as Sith or Bounty Hunters, or what have you? I'm just thinking it'd be unfair to make someone pay for an MMO but not allow them to play all sides of it, if they want.
This is something we have to decide. I think that for JO we could have people who weren't Jedi. The Jedi Order had healers, crafters, and even farmers, so we could incorporate other professions. I don't think we should allow members to have secondary characters of the opposite faction on the same server that we play on. Most MMOs allow you to have different characters on different servers so they can be in different factions.
-I can only assume it's a pay-to-play mmo so what would happen if members can't afford to buy or continuously pay for it? I'm just thinking that in today's economic climate not every JO member will be able to make the move over. Will they be asked to leave the clan if they cannot play? It seems to be a stupid question but I'm just assuming that if the majority of the clan is active in a new game the clan will reestablish it's activity rules.
We may be able to retain a JKA server, if there is any desire. If not, we could let the existing JO members keep their ranks and remain members of the community. I don't want to ask anyone who is in JO to leave.
Now, admittedly, I've been away for a long time and JO may have changed the way it does things and the way it works as a clan, I don't know. I'm just asking questions based on how the clan used to run. At the very least it could help JO identify some problems it could encounter if they do decide to use this game as the next level for the clan.
Thank you for the questions, they help me think through things.
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i'm simply not gonna go Pay to Play, sorry guys.
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i'm simply not gonna go Pay to Play, sorry guys.
QFT
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WTF is QFT?
Regards,
Menelaos
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The downside of playing SW:TOR is the payment system. If its feasible, I'll probably play for a month to make sure I like the game, then buy a lifetime subscription if its not too expensive.
We could keep the JKA side of JO going until there is a new (not pay to play) game out too.
And Master Mene, QFT=quoted for truth.
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Seriously?
Quoted for truth? That's not even a proper sentence/statement!!
How do you quote something 'for' truth??
He might as well have said... "I hear dat" and it would have been just as correct implaying he "heard" something he read!!
I have always been one to day I won't pay to play, and until I see something that is worth changing my mind, I will continue to think this way. Who knows, maybe they charge $5 a month and lets be honest, I spend more than that on the sushi I was craving that gave me a total of 10 mins of pleasure and then its gone!
Regards,
Menelaos
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It most likely won't be less than 15 a month. IMO no game is worth $180 a year.
I quoted him and agreed with his statement. Sorry for trying to save time on my iPod wooklyn
Rando
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Ok, I forgive you.
Regards,
Wooklyn
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It most likely won't be less than 15 a month. IMO no game is worth $180 a year.
I quoted him and agreed with his statement. Sorry for trying to save time on my iPod wooklyn
Rando
It'll probably be $15 a month, but if you get a longer term deal, the price per month goes down.
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I just pay per month with WoW, really looking forward to SW:TOR though.
Yanto
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Considering the server-running costs, it's understandable to charge per month.
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Considering the server-running costs, it's understandable to charge per month.
This could be said about any game that uses any sort of servers that are run by the developer. IMO, the billions of dollars they've made off of selling the game and ingame items should be enough to keep the servers running.
-Rando
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Hmm, to be honest mate I doubt they've earnt billians. Also, 2004-2008 cost them $200 million in server expenses.
Then again, looking at the amount that they get per month.. That's probably taking them about 1 year to get. Meh.
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Hmm, to be honest mate I doubt they've earnt billians. Also, 2004-2008 cost them $200 million in server expenses.
Then again, looking at the amount that they get per month.. That's probably taking them about 1 year to get. Meh.
Talking about WoW? with at least 11 million players at 15$ a month thats 1,980,000,000 each year, how much of that you think is profit?
If you're talk about any MMO that has enough content and instant fans (like star wars peeps willing to pay 2 play) they could prolly have a huge profit margin with
just 1/3 of players that WoW has not to mention the 50-60$ each person will initially pay to buy the game in the first place.
Even if the game runs a year and dies I dont think any money will really be lost.
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Wow has over 15 million subscribers. All of which have had to atleast purchase base wow which started at 50 bucks and is now down to 30. Most, if not all of them have also picked up each expansion, which is another 30-40 per expansion. Assuming that each of these people spent atleast 90 bucks on the game alone that's 1,350,000,000. They charge $15/mo on top of that, and have recently started selling things like ingame mounts at $25 a pop. They've made billions upon billions bro. They make 225 million a month in the monthly subscriptions alone.
-Rando
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Obviously WoW makes tons of money, but most MMOs don't make that kind of money. They have huge development costs for all of the original content plus all of the new content that is released regularly. Also, they have to pay to keep all of their servers online and running smoothly essentially 24/7. If you have 100,000 subscribers, an MMO charging $15 a month makes 18 million a year. While they will make a good profit, that isn't an unreasonable sum considering all the costs. Most MMOs have 100-500,000 subscribers, not the 11 million that WoW has. A good Star Wars MMO might get 2 million subscribers if its lucky. Other than WoW, the top MMO (Runescape) has 1.5 million players.
I don't think other MMOs should be judged based on WoW. I don't think WoW's success should be held against other MMOs, nor should it be a reason not to play one. Why are you unwilling to pay to play? Are you jealous and angry about the money the developers make or are you just unwilling to spend the money? If you don't have the money or don't think its worth it, thats a good reason. I don't think being upset about WoW's success is a reason to not play another game.
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p2p is just too much for me, I dont even Buy most the games I play, I only buy a game if it promises fun MP play and those I dont get as often as i'd like
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Anyways, can't wait till it comes out. I am really in the mood for some star wars again.
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Too lazy to read all the nerd stuff, so I will just agree with....
Rando and Fatchilles
Regards,
Menelaos
Disclaimer: If those two disagreed in this thread, too bad! I agree with both
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Two negatives make a right?
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The server costs of a MMO with only 100-500,000 subscribers is going to be nothing compared to the server costs needed by wow's subscriber base, so it is still a good example.
-Rando
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I don't think it is really. Most of they money is probably spent on the salaries of the staff, especially people like developers and artists. I don't think the server cost is the primary expense.
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Maybe they have a secret underground lair where they're building bombs while people are distracted playing WoW and take over the world. The real world that is...
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Two negatives make a right?
YUP!!
Two negatives make a positive....basic math.
Regards,
Menelaos
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I just logged in to see whether or not this topic was going on, because I can't wait till the game comes out.
This should be the future of *<JO>* in my opinion, you'll get all those lazy buttocks members like me back :)
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You'll have to re-apply and then we'll decide if we want little runts like you around ;)
Regards,
Menelaos
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Exactly. Plus you'll be in my timezone, so you'll be in my server, so you will have to start sucking up to me!
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obviously we need to do something.. but we shouldnt be in such a haste to pick a game to divide us or hinder our members. Not sure what to say about this.. there isnt any other Star wars game coming out anytime soon that we can play like jka or even swtor... im not sure where i stand... in feb ill have a 150$ a month harley payment to pick up... sorry riding is more important then a few hours a week sitting on my kester punchin buttons on here... im not sure i would pay 15 bucks a month to play. as it is ill have to find a computer capable to play and buy the game... thats expensive enough for myself.
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Just a suggestion, but if you guys are going to expand into another game, come up with a game that's not p2p. Since not everyone can afford the subscription of p2p, it would most likely keep most of the member base if there's no p2p costs other than maybe renting a 16 to 32 slot server.
Right now I've got a poll in the clan section over in our forums, for a couple games to expand into to try reviving the gaming aspect of [-RO-] and I left out the p2p games for the reason I mentioned.
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Just a suggestion, but if you guys are going to expand into another game, come up with a game that's not p2p. Since not everyone can afford the subscription of p2p, it would most likely keep most of the member base if there's no p2p costs other than maybe renting a 16 to 32 slot server.
Right now I've got a poll in the clan section over in our forums, for a couple games to expand into to try reviving the gaming aspect of [-RO-] and I left out the p2p games for the reason I mentioned.
You should really just close that clan down and join us ;)
Regards,
Menelaos
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You should really just close that clan down and join us ;)
Regards,
Menelaos
And be a GHOST like you :P
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http://jediholo.net
'nuff said.
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63 members or something
thats alot of people for a clan in a pretty much dead game lol
JEDI are the only good solid clan going atm with all their mods and the way they work
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Thats because they're essentially independent of the rest of the game. They have their own mods and enough people to keep a server very active.
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And a mod they won't share...
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They probably don't want to lose activity on their server by spreading it around. Its annoying, but with so little activity in the game, you can hardly blame them.
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And a mod they won't share...
There are plans to release it to other clans in later versions, but right now the beta is exclusively JEDI ;)
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And a mod they won't share...
There are plans to release it to other clans in later versions, but right now the beta is exclusively JEDI ;)
Meh, I don't blame them for not sharing it. They've put so much effort into it all, such a dedicated bunch. It's great to see. It's been 'beta' for years though hasn't it? lol :P
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WELL! I just finally got the forums working with zero help (had no idea what the hell I was doing when I migrated the files).... So atleast the forums will actually be around to talk about the future... hehe.
-Rando
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Good work, I was worried at first that we wasn't going to have any.
Yanto
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Thank you very much for your hard work, Knight Rando.
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WELL! I just finally got the forums working with zero help
Mhmmm. :P *cough* I kick-started people getting it all into gear, losing my own hair over trying to connect people and sort it. *cough*
Seriously appreciate you sorting it out without Jason contacting you though, mate. I believe his life's pretty hectic, atm. He said he'd contact you as soon as he could, but I think he must have gotten wrapped up in some stuff.
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Well, I mean, all I got in terms of help was a password :P
I seriously had no idea how to set up the database or anything.
-Rando
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Cheers for fixing this. Thought the forums would be gone for good and we'd be dooooomed.
Any chance someone with the power to do so could send out a mass e-mail saying the forums are back up? We were down for about a month, which could be long enough for people to think they're not coming back.
Might also be worth having a backup board set up on a free forum service in the future.
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Well Rink, with massive thanks to Jason we're looking at not encountering any problems for a long, long time. We should think about that, still I guess. A mass-email, does anyone know how to do one of those?
Well, I mean, all I got in terms of help was a password :P
I seriously had no idea how to set up the database or anything.
-Rando
Good point!
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I'd love to show my face sometime, but I really need help finding the game for my MacBook..
Favian
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I'd send a mass-email if the email portion of the site was working, but it isn't I'm afraid, and I really have no idea how to fix it. Only way to send one out would be to copy people's emails from their profiles and send one.
-Rando
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Hey!
So, these things are back up huh?
Thank you to those involved, Rando, Kae and anyone else who had a hand in keeping the dream alive. Despite being so ugly, you are both stand up guys and I am sometimes proud to call you friends ;)
Regards,
Menelaos
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I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! I QQED FOREVER
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good times
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I only just realized it was back up!! Thank you so much for getting it back! I thought we were doomed!!
I wouldn't mind going through and copying the emails to make a list of everyone (at least everyone who has posted other than long gone hopefuls, or maybe including them too). If you want me to?
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Yeah if you don't mind, go for it!
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I'll try to do that sometime this week or next week. Probably over the weekend when I have more time.
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My coffee doesn't have any sugar!
YES that is relevant to the future, I need to watch my sugar intake for a healthier future!!
Regards,
Menelaos
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So should I still make the list of all the email addresses? Or should I wait until we know more about what will happen with The Old Republic so we can send out an email then letting everyone who has been involved with us over the years (barring certain people who we've irrevocably broken ties with) what we are planning?
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Sounds fantastic to me!
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Feel free also to buy me a new computer so I can join you. ::nods::
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Hey, sorry I kept dropping off. Was dealing with craziness and I figured you guys would eventually figure out stuff with the passwords I gave. Props to Rando for getting everything working :)